In addition I will mention some words in the scripture that confirm the pre tribulation. Standpoint. First God says to John about the community in Philadelphia, they are the representatives of the community of God in awry time, and relate to the statements/ aspects that it will be spoken about.

That we shall not go in to the tribulation period-- Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.( If they will reject or acknowledge Jesus) Here is it spoken directly that the Christian community shall be deliver out from the tribulation which shall come. --In the Norwegian translation of 1930 the Greek preposition "ek" which manes both from ,out from and out off .is translated correctly. In the new Bible translation of 1978 contrary translated "ek"whit , preserve;thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Here we have an example that the Bible translators is translate the text in a accordance whit their own Bible understanding, they means that the Christian community shall go through; the tribulation.In REV 7-14 they have contrary translated the preposition(came out)correctly(Greek-ek tes)Revelation 7:1And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.I will refer to O K Indergaard brochure,.When shall the Christian community bee taken away(rapture) page; 4.the first place in the scripture is Rev 3-10.We have some disagreement of the meaning of the greek prepossession "ek" whict mean ,from ,out off,out from.I will refer to the Authorized Version.

American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version, Douay Version as Vulgata translated " ek" from the same place whit "From"(Latin) "ab hora tentationis"from the hour of temptation, In older Norwegian translation is "ek" translated . Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will hold(keep) you out from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.The Christian Community have the promise from the lord himself that he will free us out from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world,We can not translate the proposition"ek"whit preserve;thee.The Christian Community can not be free and preserve and go through the tribulation at the same time .In this connection many is understanding the tribulation as the trial the Christians are going through in their lifetime(in their life)This is not correct ,because its speaking about a time of a special hard tribulation. I will take the time to quote from the study Bible, book nr 4 page;796 and what it says about this issue.Because of its faithfulness the community received the promise to be preserved.The trail in the tribulation its speaks about is of a special character.It shall go over the hole world .The wrath of God shall be over mannkind.The intention; whit the tribulation,is to test mankind ,the unbelievers, and force them to take position for or against Jesus Christ.In contrast to the believers who have taken the step in fait in Christ before ,and are at home whit their Lord in heaven .And they will present themselves before the Bema) Corinthians-2 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad (judgment seat of Christ (Bema) has noting to do whit condemnation it has to do whit o'er faithfulness to o'er lord Jesus Christ) ( by Lambert Dolphin) judgement seat of Christ (By Prof. Johan Malan, University of the North, South Africa)

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( This is in line whit the following words.Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him Thessalonians-1 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Thessalonians-1 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

The Christian community shall be saved from wrath, it means that they shall not go in to the tribulation period Rev chapter 6 can we see that the days of wrath has arrived. This is in according to what we just have spoken about Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sited on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

For the second after John have written the letters to the seven communities in Revelation who also represent the Christian community generally ,what concern the contends of the letters. He saw a door in haven been opened by God ,he was asked to ascend in to heaven ,to view from heaven what shod happen in the tribulation period .Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard [was] as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show these things which must be hereafter. At the same way as John was taken in to heaven and view the different event in the tribulation from haven, the Christen community will do the same in safety in heaven whit the Lord. The Christen community is no longer present on the eart.After the 3 chapter in Rev is the word community is not used more in the text ,but appears in the last chapter of (Rev 22-16)What concern the heavenly phase, do we get to new appellation , the 24 oldest ”and they who lives in heaven 13-6.What concern the earthly phase ,then we get a description of the martyrs 6-9-11and the 144000 sealed of Israel 12 tribes(7-3.8) a great multitude 7-9.17

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands
Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. ;The two witness 11-3.1 2the woman 12-5.16was wrath. on the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.12-17And the saints 13-7.This shows that we have a to separation of the believers They who are in heaven, and they who are going to live in the tribulation period This is both Jews and Gentiles.

Chapter 4 and 5describe the situation in heaven after the Christen community is taken away and the(installing) coronation of Jesus as King. We have to take in notice that Rev both describes the situation in heaven and the situation on earth from chapter 6-19 in tribulasjonperiod What concern the description of saved people on earth in that time, they are either Jews or Gentiles. As we before have mention, the Antichrist is scoffing God and they who are living in heaven. This shod conclude that the Christian community is no longer at present on earth. Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Her we are told that the house of God are them that dwell in heaven. And this proves that the Christian community shall be in heaven in the tribulation period. BECAUSE THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY IS THE HOUSE OF GOD AND THE TEMPLE OF GOD

Corinthians-1 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?Corinthians-1 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy,

Peter-1 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

For the third do we see of the situations picture of Rev ,in heaven something has been change from the description we had before. There is something new in heaven ,a new group of people has arrived there, which has never been there before. And they are the 24 oldest.

Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne [were] four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Revelation 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

The 24 oldest is the represent off to groups of saved people, The old testament believers who was resurrected when Jesus die on the cross Matt 27,50-57 and the new testament community, And this shows that the resurrection has happen for the new testament community, and they have been changed, received their new body (resurrection body) ,at the beginning of the tribulations period ,which will come over the hole world and last in 7 years. The Christian Community is ready to follow Jesus where ever he goes. But the Christian Community will stay in rest in heaven for 7 years, where they will praise and worship God and o,er Lord Jesus Christ. The new Testament community will be in safety from the nightmare who will accrue on earth. Besides it is written of this group of people, that they has been taken out of every tribe tongue people and nation. This is the main proof what concern the Christian community because it’s been taken out of all the people of the world This is in coordination what is written in Acts 15,14

Acts 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

K M Smidt says following about the 24 oldest in his book Bible studies over the book of Revelation ”In circle around the throne John saw 24 other thrones and on them 24 oldest in white clothes and whit golden triumphant wreath on their heads. her has been many speculation over who those 24 oldest?.Are they? heavenly angels, or are they saved holy ones John look at?. Many interpreters, sees the 24 oldest as representatives of the saved community from the old pact and 12 from the new pact incardinates to the 12 patriarchs Tribes and the 12 apostels.The number cannot been taken literal concern the 24 persons ,but as a symbol number ". Comprehensive all the saved holy’s .OK Indergaard says following about the 24 oldest in his brochure. When shall the community be ruptured page;24-25.The situations picture before the 70 yaerweek for Israel Rev 4 and 5 Do we find also the glorified new testament community Greek(ekklesia) Already in Hebrew 12,12-23 which shows the heavenly situations picture in the beginning of the new testamentary time. Do we find a community of glorified people in heaven ,namely the general assembly Greek( panegyris)And the community of the first born,Greek (ekk ' lesia prototokon) who indubitable is the many old testament holy ones who rose from the dead whit Jesus ,Matthew 27,52-53 together whit Enoch and Elijah who had become glorified whiteout dead and Moses who God rose from the dead I will also mention the perfect. justified spirits who not haw receive their glorified- body

It’s in the New Testament tree Greek synonym for holy communities

(1) Synagogue ,which specially concern the Jewish community

(2) Ekklesia, who concern the new testament community

(3)Panegyris who just exist ones in the scripture namely in Hebrew 12, 23 which means the general assembly ,Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

But in the situation picture in heaven (Revelation 4 and 5) who describes the situation in heaven after the rapture but before the the 70 yaerweek

IS BOTH THE TO GLORIFIED COMMUNITIES NAMELY THE OLD TESTAMENT PANEGYRIS AND THE NEWTESTAMENT EKKLESIA REPRESENTED BY THE 24 OLDEST WHO IS THE MEMBERS OF THE HEAVENLY COUNCIL BOARD Esaias 3,14,24,23,where the 12 tribes of Israel Rev 7,4-8, 12, 1 and the 12 apostles of Jesus is united together the Old pact community and the New pact community together sings the new song about the Lamb Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

We see them take part in heaven under the presence of Jesus ( parousia Greek) In Christian doctrine, eschatology has traditionally included the second advent of Christ, or Parousia, the resurrection of the dead,the last judgment, the immortality of the soul, concepts of heaven " Microsoft(R) Encarta

Where the justify Judgment of God is fallen over a apostate humanity will also quoted from the study Bible, and what it tells us about the 24 oldest book nr 4 ,796: The supporter relate too this interpretation see the 24 oldest as representatives for the gathered community. The Oldest is a expression used both in the old and the new testament as the leaders of the community. The double 12 remained us about Israelis 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles.Sverre Kornmo says following in his book ,The End Time in the light of the prophesy page;41.The relationship between Christ and the community is clearly in Rev chapter 4 -5 John was then ascend into heaven to look into the future from the heavenly world. He sees a throne in heaven

Revelation 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and [one] sat on the throne."

5Revelation 5:8 Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God

The community (or) the bride is no longer mention later in Rev in chapter 3 from this point, they are only too been seen in heaven. The twenty four oldest who represent a grate crowd. from every nation; tongue; people have to be the Christian community who is been taken away before the seal is opened ---and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Nobody gets a crown or sitting on thrones before the resurrection and therefore there has been a resurrection before the seals is opened and the judgement scene is going to be uncovered = (Revelation = Latin =the Apocalypse)

Sverre Kornmo

I will also quote from Helset Dyrset book (The Great Secret) page;94-96.In chapter 4and 5 of Rev.And what he says about the 24 oldest .He says ,In this Community a interpretation of the 24 oldest as represents of high ranking angels, is not in accordance what the scripture says about Angeles newer hear that the angels is singing apart from Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Gods mighty act in the Creation the universe overwhelming beauty and the fine harmony who the spirit world was witness to recalled this song of praice.But when sin entered and disturbed the harmony in Gods glories creation, the Angel song become silent. Whit grate events as the born of Christ....Christ Resurrection ....and when the Saints is arrived in heaven do we hear about the rejoice of the Angels. But just from the place in Job do we read that the Angels sings. Its only the saved sinners who can sing the song of redemption.

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Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

There is no place in the scripture that Angels is been crowned But about the 24 oldest we read _Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne [were] four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

If we hold that god old rule that scripture explains scripture, will we have no difficulty to identified these first partition of the holy ones who its written about in Rev last part( from chapter 4).In the 23 -24 chapter of chronicles can we read when the Levitt’s(priests) shod meet in the sanctuary (temple) . David divided them in 24 shifts whit a head, chief. of each shift the Levitt’s cud not meet at the same time because they counted nearer forty thousand (40000) .But in these 24 head, chiefs was the hole assembly ,represented before the sight of. the Lord. Nearly just the same way in heaven when the 24 oldest who John viewed in heavenly glory. They represent the hole congregation the hole blood redeemed congregation

The new! who had happen in heaven is that we get informasjon about the 24 oldest ,is in heaven, and the rapture of the Christian community has been taken place. If we compare Rev of John 4, 4 4 , 9-11 and 5, 8-10 whit Hebrew 12,22-24 who gives us a overview; over they who are in heaven, before the new testament rapture ,do we see that the Christian community or the 24 oldest is missing in the last mention overview

Hebrews 12:22 But ye (The Christian Community) are come unto mount Sion,(in heaven) and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly(panegyris) and church of the firstborn,(ekklesia prototokon) which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

and church of the firstborn,(ekklesia prototokon)These to congregations is the old testament believers who rose in connection whit the dead and resurrection of Jesus Christ Matthew 27,52-53 also Enoch Elijah and Moses which are written in heaven and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,(the souls of all the dead believers both from old testament time and the new testament who have not received their resurrection body yet) And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

As follows in Hebrew 12,22-24 is three these inhabitants in heaven

1 innumerable company of angels(,the thousands of angels Norwegian Translation)

2 the general assembly and church of the firstborn, this is a part of the old testament believers who received their resurrection body in connection whit Jesu death and resurrection .They rose bodily whit Jesus resurrection and was whit Jesus to heaven after 40 days whit his ascend to heaven. They rose as a first fruit for God ,as a prove that God accept what Jesus did for all humans namely that the sin is atonement and the debt is paid

About the general assembly and church of the firstborn it is written in Matthew 27,50-53

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

In this connection I will quote the study Bible book nr 1 page 565 The graves was opened when Jesus died ,but it don't look like that they was alive ,before after Jesus was resurrected. He was the first fruit 1 Corinthians 15,23.How it went whit them later do we not know .The Bible is silent about this. It is wary clear that they was not resurrected to live on eart.They was either ruptured after they had showed themselves ,or together whit Jesus 40 days later. These people is the same as the general assembly and church of the firstborn, These people is a first fruit for God ,off the old testamentary believers. What concern the other old testament believers they will not be resurrected before after the tribulation is past ,this will happens when Jesus is coming back to earth, and they will also go into the heavenly face of the millennium Kingdom(the kingdom of Jesus Messiah the 1000 years)

3) God is there

4) Jesus is there

5) the spirits of just men made perfect,

There we have the believers both from the old Testament--and the new Testamentary time

EVERYBODY WHO BELIEVES IN JESUS WILL GO TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY DIE ... AND THERE THEY ARE WAITING FOR THEIR RESURRECTION BODY .THIS IS COMMEND FOR ALL, BOTH THE BELIEVERS IN THE OLD PACT AND, THEY IN THE NEW PACT

WHEN JESUS ASCEND IN TO HEAVEN HE TOOK WHIT HIM ALL THE SAVED SOULS INTO HEAVEN HE TOOK WHIT HIM THE PARADISE SIDE OF THE KINGDOM OF DEATH, AND LED THE BELIEVERS WHIT HIM TO HEAVEN

Therefore says the scripture

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, (Jesus)When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive,(every believer) and gave gifts unto men.
Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?(the kingdom of the death )
Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

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Peter-1 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Peter-1 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Peter-1 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Peter-1 3:21 The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Peter-1 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

It is interesting to remark that the believers in the old testamentary time also knew, that God shod take them to heaven ,when the time comes .This happen when Jesus aced into heaven

Psalm 68:18 Thou ( Jesus)hast ascended on high,(In Heaven) thou hast led captivity captive:(The saved souls) thou hast received gifts for men; yea, [for] the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell [among them].

Psalm 49:15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah.

Psalm 73:23 Nevertheless I [am] continually with thee: thou hast holden [me] by my right hand.
Psalm 73:24 Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me [to] glory.
Psalm 73:25 Whom have I in heaven [but thee]? and [there is] none upon earth [that] I desire beside thee.

This shall prove that the 24 oldest is the representatives of the Christian Community and this is the main proof that the Christian Community will be rapture before the tribulations period ,who begins whit chapter 6 of Rev This crowd of people is of every tribe tongue and people, and nation this congregation find itself in heaven;
.In addition they have got Crones of gold on their heads, and this is an expression that they have stood before the the Glories throne of Jesus in heaven ,and received their grace reword and got their royal dignity of Jesus and together whit Jesus .They are ready to go in the mission of Kings and Priests one earth Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth

What concern this Bible verse we have to be aver of its partly translated wrong in our Bible ( I will make the reader aver of that Oskar Idin Indergaarn is referring to the Norwegian translation, PARTICULAR this lines is difficult to translate correctly) This is naturally done whit purpose to wakening the period of the millennium kingdom, and the Christians Communities role in this period I will quoted from the main text(Greek) and make the readers aver of its different variation ,I will set the text in parenthesis so the reader can see the error. I will use the study bible, word from word translation. Book nr 4 paged 784-785 Revelation 5:10 And hast made (us)( them) unto our God (kings)(a Kingdom) and priests: and( we shall reign)(we rules) on the earth Here it’s clear of the text THAT BOTH THE CHRISTIAN AND THE OLD TESTAMENT BELIEVERS WHO SHALL BE KINGS AND PRIESTS IN THE MILLENNIUM KINGDOM

There must be and end off that the theologians is translating the Bible in according to their own Bible understanding and theology system Whit doing so they are disturbing the word of God and they can easily seduce the Christian Community about the plan of God about the millennium kingdom ,Christian Community, and the Jews in that Period.

We know that Antichrist cannot come. Before the Christian Community is rapture to God .It is the power of the Holy Spirit in the Christian Community who holds back.

Revelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

What concern this text there is tree interpretation who this rider me be

1( It is the victory of the Gospel in the tribulasjonsperiod at 7 years

2(It is a description of the coming of Jesus to Armageddon

3(It is a description of the coming of Antichrist and victory on the political, and wars strategy in the first 3,5 years of the tribulations period after 3,5 years he will achieve world dominion

This correspond whit that Satan is been thrown out of the heavenly and down to earth in the middle of the year week(3.5years).Satan will then give all his power of the World to Antichrist

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Luke 4:6 And the devil said unto him,(Jesus) All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

I consider the third interpretation as correct, I will from the Bible show that this is the right interpretation will compare the last to interpretations, I look away from the first one, who I consider have noting .The meaning of two and tree , the only thing we can compare whit, is the white horse .The opinion of some, is the horse Jesus is sitting on when he is coming to Armageddon

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

When Antichrist is coming he is sitting on a white horse, which means that he is imitating Jesus Christ. He want the world to see specially the Jews that he is the Messiah, if he don't says it directly but he will try in the longest ,to hide his identity as the Satan’s Antichrist

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

What concerns the weapon he wears, he has a bow, "but the weapon Jesus have is a sharp sword who is the same as the word of God

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

We know who is shunting burning arrows from the bow, it is the weapon of Satan and it’s naturally that Antichrist has the same weapon.

Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

We also see that Antichrist is been given one Crone when he comes. That Crone is given to him by Satan to be his especially representative in the Tribulation period. Jesus on the contrary has many Crowns when he comes

Revelation 19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

To end the proof about the rider of Rev 6, 2 cannot be Jesus; we can look at the difference of the horseman who follows Antichrist and them who follows Jesus. After Antichrist follows tree horseman

Revelation 6:4 And there went out another horse [that was] red: and [power] was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.Revelation 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

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About the riders who follows Jesus there is written.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

This shall prove that the two raiders (Horseman) and the two different event is not identical the first rider Antichrist is coming over seven years earlier before the other raider, who is Jesus

The Antichrist cannot be relived before what holds back is taken out the way or sat aside, it’s the holy spirit who holds back in the Christian Community

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
Thessalonians-2 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.Thessalonians-2 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:Thessalonians-2 2:9

We will quote word from word from the main text(Greek) ,to show that the Norwegian translation of 1930 is both wrong and misleading .The study bible book nr 4 page 284 quote only he who holds back yet until goes out of the middle he comes (ek mesu genetai)"vers 7

He who holds back goes out of the middle and out in the periphery It’s not written that he shall be extinguish or eliminated. The new Bible translation of 1978 has translated it correctly. We will quote from different Bibles comments, who translated the text correctly.

1) New English: disappear, from the scene

2) Hayman: stand no longer in the way

3)Gunnes: step aside

4) Laubach: is gone

5) Danish Bible translation: remove (take away)

(I will make the reader aver of, the Bible expression over is directly translated from Norwegian)

There have also been different opinions in the history of the church ;( who withholding)( he who now letteth) .I will mention some opinion in church; history about this.

1) Most of the ancient church; fathers, meant it was the roman state who withholds, for the Antichrist

2) Theodoret meant, it was the pagan service

3) J P Lange meant it was the moral spirit in the life of the state

4)Bullinger meant, it was the devil. who holds tight on his position in heaven and first have to be throw out

5) Augustin said following about this ,the Thessalonians knew about this (" you know ",2 Thess 2,6) I don't know but I will not conceal others opinions

6) Calvin meant it was prediction of the Gospel and the Holy Spirit

As we can see in the church history, that there has been different interpretation about this, But after my opinion there can be no doubt who it cud befits the holy spirits at work in the Christian Community. As soon as the Christian community is been rapture to God, the Holy Spirit is not in the communities center on earth. It has no place in the chuck of the Antichrist. It,s not in the center of its life and prediction, It means not that the holy spirit is not at present on earth in the tribulation period, because it is,. In the individual who comes to believing in Jesus as the redeemer and saviour, and in communities who is braking whit the harlot church The Bible tells us also that the Christian Community whit the help of the Holy Spirit withholds (stand in the way) for Satan ,to realize to the full extension of his evil plan

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Timothy-1 3:15 But if I (Paul) tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

I consider myself to be finished, whit the prove, about the time point the Christian Community will be ruptured to Jesus in the sky .And there can be no doubt , It will happens before the last 70 years week for Israel and Jerusalem beginnes.The Christian Community shall not go inn or through the tribulasjonsperiod. They who means the opposite, has not taken to consideration.

1) How will they interpret the scripture in the other way (the bible verse I have used?

2 )They have not taken to consideration, the Prophecy of Daniel about the 70 year week Daniel 9,24-27

3) They don't divide between the promises to the Christian community, and on the other hand, the promises to Israel and the Jews

It’s of vital impotence, that we read the New Testament and divide between the promises of the two Congregations (Jews/ Gentiles) .If we don't do that we will end up in misleading interpretation of the Bible. And that was not the meaning. The Christians shall not stand in the problem of misunderstanding, but in the light of knowledge and understanding about these things.

We will all meet Jesus some day as or Saviour, or as are Judge

I choose Jesus heaven and the Millennium Kingdom

What do you choose?

The Rapture

Ken Johnson

Jimmy Evans

People get ready - Golden Gospel Singers

Tingvoll 11/10 1983.

Oskar Edin Indergaard.

I will remark that the books is translated amateurly straight from Norwegian and there is error, both in spelling and the meaning of the sentence, it,s easily twisted whit out purpose .But I hope I have got the importance of the subject . I hope the English readers forgive me for my bad English.

Addition

Stein A Johannessen.